Michigan unemployment rate is a SHAME

Holy crow! I knew the great state of Michigan was in a bad way, but Michigan's unemployment rate of 15 percent blows me away. An official unemployment rate of 15 percent translates to at least 25 percent in real terms. Add underemployment, and it could mean 40 percent of the workforce is out of a job in the... (What's Michigan's nickname, anyway?) Motor State!

Permit me to climb up on my mighty soap box for a second here and say that this is a travesty. Michigan has more skilled machinists, tool and dye makers, and heavy equipment operators than any other state, hands down. I imagine they rank high in the number of engineers, too. If the stimulus ($350 billion and counting) or the GM bailout ($50 billion or more) were worth a damn, those people would be working. You know what they would be working on? They would be working on building rail infrastructure and the next generation of automobiles. That would keep Michigan's unemployed workers busy for 30 years.

Grrrrr.... this makes me see red! What happened to our country! Why don't we just roll up our damn sleeves and fix this! It's a shame that we have the greatest universities in the world, the most diligent, creative workforce the world has ever seen, and there are millions of us twiddling our thumbs instead of creating wealth. Truly, people, it's a SHAME! We need to get together somehow.

Join this site right now. I promise not to spam you (meaning I will never try to sell you anything through e-mail) or sell your info (meaning I will never sell the list to anyone -- period). Take that as a legally binding statement. I just want to organize. We need to get together. Somebody needs to do something. Might as well be me (and you), I guess.

We are all Michigan!

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chuck's picture

When I started this site...

... I swore I would never do this. It was about surviving unemployment on an individual level. Sure, people would help each other, but it was about you and me as individuals. The more I learn about unemployment in our society, the more I can see that if we are to survive as a society, as a culture, we need to get together and tackle unemployment on a social level. Our leaders are failing us. It's time to show them the way or show them the door.

When life hands you sh*t, make fertilizer.

Bad elsewhere

I hear it is bad elsewhere like CA, Nevada and Florida Suncoast states. I admit to some of my friends that I am out of work, but I have been applying and looking harder. To some friends it is hard to tell them because of pride. Some recruiter also ask me how my job search is and I tell them the truth. Maybe they are trying to guage me on my potential as an employee. People here in MD who I talk to at the state employment office tell me they have not been getting any calls after applying.

I have been lucky getting the face-to-face interviews and I did the best I can answer. Yet dissapointed and discouraged in no offers. Yes some have been very technical in the questions and perhaps I did not give the correct answers. Like you said Chuck, there are more unemployed than news is dishing out. I see them here in the library. At least some people are reading, studying or applying online. Some have given up. I can't; I got to do better.

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That's the attitude, Don!

"Some have given up. I can't; I got to do better."

Hold on to that, man. Thanks and good luck to you.

When life hands you sh*t, make fertilizer.

Some tips-Michigan

Ok, first off. I'm just trying to help from my experiences-so everything I state is a 100% attempt to help.

Yes, living through all of this has been painful. I've been out of work for 7 month's, and it's starting to get us down, as with many. I never thought I'd see myself in a situation where my University degree would be rendered almost mute and obsolete. But here we are. Then again, I never saw myself unemployed, unable to sell my house and/or "get out of Dodge" if I wanted to either? Play the hand we're dealt and wait for the next round.

My wife and I pay our bills, pay our taxes, keep the lights on, and keep a brave face in front of the kids. We as Michigander's will make it through this, that's all I know. So if it's beating you down, stay strong. We're the toughest state in the union!

Here's some things I've learned dealing/living with unemployment: (If it helps even one person, I'll be glad).

One: Let's face it. Checks and mail get delayed. Mine (check) generally shows up like clockwork. BUT sometimes, they don't. I've been left waiting a week or more a few times. It happens, no one knows why-but it does. Be patient. I have a good relationship with our mailman, he's pointed out to me that one time it was not mailed until days after it was supposed to be, and another was the fault of the post office. From Lansing to where I live it should take 24hrs (48-MAX) to receive a letter. (According to USPS). Don't get frustrated (although I know it can be hard not too) it'll show up.

Which leads me to.... As my Dad used to say-"If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it"....

Two: (A) Never, never, never, never change your payment method after you've already started receiving benefits!!! Don't! UIA, the Post Office, and you will spend days and days "looking for it". And in the end, your the one that will be out of money for bills. I was really unfortunate-it took two weeks to resolve the issue. Just turned out to be a computer error. Now, I'm not the first dumby to do it, and not the only one who's experienced this misfortune. So best to avoid the situation altogether. (B) Chase Bank is creative, and let's face it-their a bank. They have thought of almost every possible way to "ding" your unemployment funds via charges, fees and so on. I guess the billions they got from tax payers already wasn't enough? Although they're making money from the initial transaction with the deal from the state, they now take from the unemployed. (Not a political statement. Merely a statement of opinion and experience). First two transaction are free, after that-$1.50 a pop. If you get a check, stick with it. (C) Direct deposit is the best way to go overall. Actually, having a job is the best thing overall-but you get the point. This is the easiest road to travel. From what I'm told. But if you, like me, have a minimum balance on your account that's the one hiccup to it.

Three: It can be frustrating getting through to (calling) UIA. Be patient. When/if you do get through remember-these folks are human. They have good days and bad days. There are good people that work there, and not so good. So the best advice is be polite. Remember you're not the only one in the State worried, stressed out and frustrated. Trust me, you'll get further being polite than by being aggravated and short. Trust me again, they'll help you in EVERY way possible if you are courteous. They'll be in return.

Four: If/when you call MARVIN, dial the number two minutes before your time (I.E. if you have to call at 9am, dial at 8:58am). It's takes that long to go through it's ramble, and by the time you punch in your SS and ID, it's after the hour. So it will take the call. Plus 99% of people don't call until after the hour. Online is the best overall though. Do sign up for that.

That's about all I can think of. Hope some, part or all of this helps someone. And most of all, don't give up hope. See above. Good luck.

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Thanks for all the good info

I had no idea Chase was such a scummy operator. $1.50 per transaction? That's madness! Some states like mine (NY) actually force you to go that route now. Gee, I wonder why.

That's good advice about calling MARVIN two minutes before your official time. Takes some planning but I bet it saves a lot of time.

Best of luck to you!

When life hands you sh*t, make fertilizer.

More than my pleasure. And

More than my pleasure. And thank you for putting this blog up here. It gives people a place to share ideas, stories, and perhaps even vent a bit. If I could afford to buy beer, I'd crack one and say cheers. Ha-ha!!!

It's sort of this esprit-du-corps I've gained. I figure coast to coast, we're all in this together. Just wish perhaps the real engine of the economy would get a "bail out". The consumer. Not the banks, mortgage, and insurance companies who's greed got us here. Again, not a political statement, just an opinion. I don't think you're going to see many of those CEO's, CFO's and COO's bloging on here offering help. Even when they have lost their jobs, I'm certain their personal homes and fiduciary commitments are safe and secure.

Before I switched (stupidly, might I add again!?) to the debt card-that trick with MARVIN worked every time.

Good luck to you too.

That is all good advice. I

That is all good advice. I appreciate your comment about NOT changing your avenue of benefits once it is established and being polite to the workers at UIA. When I applied for unamployment (online) I specifided Direct Deposit. I called Marvin on the day/hour I was told - but no money was deposited. I received one of those Chase unemployement debit cards, as well. No money on that, either. So I called UIA - and got through fairly easily - I told the woman how worried I was because I needed the money to buy groceries, and I was just afraid that I had done something incorrect.

She was nice - and had the problem fixed in 2 seconds. Just a glitch somewhere in the system. She then told me that I would get the benefits on my debit card. I didn't want that because the fees from Chase are SO SO high! You really have to read the fine print that comes with the card to see how to avoid them.

The woman asked if I wanted to be transferred and choose the option for direct deposit. I said no - I hate the Chase card but at least I knew I was getting benefits on it - so I left it. I don't want to mess it up.

Also, in regards to the Chase fees - I find a Chase ATM and take out the largest cash withdrawals I can on two different days. (You get 2 free with each UIA benefit payment) I then deposit the cash into my checking account, and use it for bills.

Also, thanks for the tip about calling MARVIN 2 minutes before - If you call right at your assigned time, you can't get through. It usually takes me 20 minutes to get through.

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That's such good advice...

Being nice to people is almost always preferable to being a jerk. The people working in the unemployment office are stretched to the limit these days. Have some sympathy for them and they're a lot more likely to take pity on you and help you out.

Also good advice on Chase -- take two big dips a month. I think it really sucks that they charge such high fees on those cards. You'd think the state could negotiate something better.

When life hands you sh*t, make fertilizer.

Michigan is desperate to reinvent itself

Thanks for keeping an eye on Michigan, Chuck. I hope you and yr readers have opinions on these other tidbits.

ONE

MICHIGAN BUSINESS TAX: UNFAIR, UNRELIABLE

Businesses all over this state have complained long and loud about the new Michigan Business Tax. Now, the University of Michigan does a study that concludes this is a failure. On the three measures of what makes a good tax, the U-of-M says the MBT is not fair, not reliable and not efficient. Instead, the researchers say this tax is the cause of many jobs leaving Michigan.

Source: John Bry, NewsRadio WOOD-1300 News Team member, WOOD-AM website, AUG 5 2009 - http://www.woodradio.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=1...

TWO

Are you aware of tax breaks MI is offering motion picture industry to film here? Not sure what I think of this personally - New Yorkers probably wouldn't give it a second thought.

But for all of us in Podunk (relatively speaking), esp those of us who cannot directly access the employment opps this activity generates, seeing major motion picture scenes featuring sentimental places from my childhood just seems odd. I have mixed feelings seeing film crews crawling around my familiar places. Until I can personally sense the economic gain, I'll feel like an outsider on this one. Where do I sign up to become a dot in a crowd scene again??

Here's a story - and I wonder what other Michiganians think of this economic development experiment. From what I know so far, opinions are split on the subject:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/05/hollywood_on_th...

THREE

I also remember short local TV news report stating Hollywood is talking abt training engineers / technical artists of the dying auto industry to become the new movie animators / special effects people. I can't find any print story to support that right now, but that's an interesting idea.

*****

In the midst of these and other ongoing changes, the fondness I once felt for my hometown is shifting. With emphasis on importing MI economic solutions (for example, attracting people to fill the steadily multiplying megacondos that locals can't afford, or promoting the Downtown GR "Medical Mile" as the new med research & cure mecca), I catch myself feeling like a stranger in a strange land, right here at home. I know I have to come to the present, but as a lifelong, forty-something GR MI resident, I'm not sure what the future holds for me here anymore. After earning my MPA last year, I did not expect to feel so utterly obsolete, fresh out of school. As it comes time to repay the student loans, I can't help but wonder abt the soundness of this sizeable financial investment that was supposed to make all the difference for me.

GR is now considered a "college town" but graduates don't seem to want to stay here after they graduate.

So while both short-term and long-term MI residents leave to seek jobs out-of-state, the influx of new residents seems to be local government's (unspoken) hope for the future. Yet I just read this: "Despite the state’s high outbound rate, Michigan’s migration issue has more to do with a lack of residents moving in than an influx of residents leaving. Michigan’s property tax policy of charging more to incoming residents than current citizens is partially to blame..."

Source: http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2009/02/students_residents_fl...

Finally, there are some who've said in the past Western MI's rep for racial prejudice presents another obstacle to recruiting diverse workforce needed to complete import formula. This may finally be changing, but I've seen past posts on relocation guide http://www.city-data.com from ethnic individuals who struggled through their MI experience. It would be nice to read this is changing for the better.

Sooo, that's pretty much everything on my underemployed Michigan mind today - thanks for providing this forum. AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!! After chuckling through so many of your vitriolic rants pre-video, I was so surprised to finally see and hear you - you're not even one bit scary! :)

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I don't know where to start...

... I have a lot of comments on what you just said, but I won't get to them all right now because I'm trying to make some money at the moment on an activity that has nothing to do with this site.

But I have to say...

"you're not even one bit scary!"

Not even one bit? Ouch.

Be back for more heady stuff sometime tomorrow...

When life hands you sh*t, make fertilizer.

nono, i'm sure you're very scary...

...just not in that video, it was pleasant. THAT WAS A COMPLIMENT.

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Kind of like Batman...

... I'm only scary to villains. :)

Thanks for the compliment. Now, to your comment above:

Michigan's business tax: Not knowing much about it, I'm going to say it's bad. I would go further and say all taxes on productive income are basically bad. We should be taxing speculative income like capital gains and un-earned income like inheritance. A pennies-per-transaction tax on stock and bond trades would hardly be felt and would raise lots of needed money. We have it all wrong the way things are now -- we burden the productive members (workers and entrepreneurs) of our society most heavily and let the least productive members (heirs and speculators) get away with paying almost no taxes.

Motion Picture Tax Breaks: Unfair. If other businesses have to pay taxes, so should showbiz. Industry people have a term for it in NYC: "cinematic immunity." You'd be amazed what you can get away with if you're on a film set.

Edumacation: This is personal opinion, but education is only wasted on those who don't appreciate it. I would include those who only do it for career reasons among that group. Someone can take your money. They can take your stuff. They can take your job. They can take your spouse. They can never take your knowledge, though, not without taking your life. I feel so blessed to have so many neurons firing, enhancing my understanding of the world even as it paradoxically widens the mystery. No, education is never wasted unless you don't appreciate it in itself.

It's like love that way, actually. Unrequited love is a lot like un-remunerated education. I wouldn't trade my capacity for love or my education for all the sex or money in the world.

But I'm kind of an oddball. Shrug.

When life hands you sh*t, make fertilizer.

I forget to appreciate my education

Shame on me, venting abt my Michigan while in a sorry-for-self funk.

I've treated higher education like a hobby all my life. It took an exchange student - and now you - to remind me how fortunate I am to be able to even take advantage of the academic opportunities the US offers. I don't mean to be a bratty American, taking things for granted, but it happens.

And MI gives tax breaks to a variety of industries, motion pictures being just one of the newer and more exotic. Also emphases on attracting foreign businesses to MI and developing green technologies. So there are things going on at more than one level here - I guess it depends on how you (I) want to spin it.

I'm just trying to process all the change, figure out where my opportunities are, and get moving again. I don't want to waste any more time, money, or energy on fluff and I feel like the (financial) pressure is finally starting to get to me.

Last thought: I would advise anyone who decides to go back to school to give vocational training programs fair consideration. It's not always about moving up, but being able to move around, and getting the biggest bang for your buck.

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That's awesome advice

Pipes will always need to be plumbed, motors tuned, and wires wired.

When life hands you sh*t, make fertilizer.

Unemployment in Michigan & other States

Though most mainstream news is citing a decline in unemployment as proof that "the economy is stabilizing", the New York Times suggests that if you:

Include [those who have given up looking for a job and those part-time workers who want to be working full time] …and the rate reached

21.5 percent in both Michigan and Rhode Island

23.5 percent in Oregon

20.3 percent in California.

Save Michigan

I grew up in Michigan but left in the early 80's to come to TN. I just came back from Michigan and am so upset with what is happening there. I am especially worried about my brother. He worked 7 days a week sweating his ass off for years at one of the largest independent global suppliers of automotive components. He has been laid off for 11 months. His mortgage is almost upside down as the houses in his nice middle class neighborhood go into foreclosures. He has his journeyman's card in welding and can't find anything. At one time Detroit was the biggest manufacturing city in the world - now it looks like a 3rd world country. As Chuck said the state has so many hard working, skilled workers and engineers - they should be building the future! It gets me so angry. We need to join forces and do something about this. I hope more will join you Chuck - united we can do this!

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